(Ang punto diyan, ipinagbabawal ba ng Diyos ang mga imahe ni Kristo Maria at iba pa? Verse at chapter please. Kung wala, edi wag mong ipagpilitan na hindi pwede gawin.)
napakadaming talata sa biblia na mababasa tungkol dyan sa pinag babawal na imahe o larawang inanyuan
Exodus 20
4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them;
malinaw naman sinabi dyan: an image in the form of “anything” in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. bawal yan pagkatapos ay yuyukuran mo at paglilingkuran!
kasama na po dyan ang imahe nang tao
Isaiah 46
7 Pinapasan nila siya sa balikat, dinadala nila siya, at inilalagay siya sa kaniyang dako, at siya’y nakatayo; mula sa kaniyang dako ay hindi siya makikilos: oo, may dadaing sa kaniya, gayon ma’y hindi siya makasasagot, o makapagliligtas man sa kaniya sa kaniyang kabagabagan.
Hindi po ba halimbawa to nang ginagawa nang mga Katoliko? Pinuprusisyon, dinadasalan, binibihisan at ginagawan pa nang bahay etc hindi po ba sa harap nang mga imahe nyo dumadaing kayo at nag dadasal humihingi nang tulong o awa?!
Deuteronomy 4
16 Baka kayo’y mangagpakasama, at kayo’y gumawa sa inyo ng isang larawang inanyuan na kawangis ng alin mang larawan, na kahawig ng lalake o babae,
Psalm 115
4 Ang kanilang mga diosdiosan ay pilak at ginto, yari ng mga kamay ng mga tao.
5 Sila’y may mga bibig, nguni’t sila’y hindi nangagsasalita;
mga mata’y mayroon sila, nguni’t hindi sila nangakakakita;
6 Sila’y may mga tainga, nguni’t hindi sila nangakakarinig;
mga ilong ay mayroon sila, nguni’t hindi sila nangakakaamoy;
7 Mayroon silang mga kamay, nguni’t hindi sila nangakatatangan;
mga paa ay mayroon sila, nguni’t hindi sila nangakalalakad;
ni nangagsasalita man sila sa kanilang ngalangala.
8 Ang nagsisigawa sa kanila ay magiging gaya nila; Oo, bawa’t tumitiwala sa kanila.
O yan ang description ang larawang inanyuan na pinagbabawal nang Dios! Hindi ba ganyan ang mga imahen nang Katoliko at hindi katulad nang mga imahe na pinagawa nang Dios kay Moses?!
(Kung wala kaming mabasang specific na talata na nagpagawa ng mga imahe ni Kriso, Maria etc.. Nangangahulugan ba ito na di na kami pwede gumawa? Basahan mo nga kami ng verse na ipinagbabawal ng Diyos ang mga larawan nila.)
Kung hindi kayo inutusan nang Dios na gumawa nang mga imahen kagaya nang pag utos nya kay Moses nangangahulugan lang na utos yan nang tao at hindi nang Dios!
At lalong walang mababasa na inutos nang Dios na yukuran at paglingkuran yang mga imahe!
Nangangahulugan lang na nilalabag nyo yung sabi nang mga Apostol na huwag hihigit sa mga bagay na nasusulat!
1 Mga Taga-Corinto 4
6 Ang mga bagay ngang ito, mga kapatid, ay inianyo ko sa halimbawa sa aking sarili at kay Apolos dahil sa inyo; upang sa amin ay mangatuto kayo na huwag magsihigit sa mga bagay na nangasusulat;
Hindi din pumapayag ang Dios na gawan nyo sya nang larawang inanyuan so nilalabag nyo utos nya
Isaiah 42
8 Ako ang Panginoon; na siyang aking pangalan: at ang aking kaluwalhatian ay hindi ko ibibigay sa iba, o ang akin mang kapurihan sa mga larawang inanyuan.
Isaiah 46
5 Kanino ninyo ako itutulad, at ipaparis, at iwawangis ako, upang kami ay magkagaya?
Acts 17
29 Yamang tayo nga’y lahi ng Dios, ay hindi marapat nating isipin na ang pagka Dios ay katulad ng ginto, o ng pilak, o ng bato, na inukit ng kabihasnan at katalinuhan ng tao.
[napakadaming talata sa biblia na
mababasa tungkol dyan sa pinag babawal na imahe o larawang inanyuan]
Ibigay mo ang mga talata at tatalakayin natin.
[4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; malinaw naman sinabi dyan: an image in the form of "anything" in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. bawal yan pagkatapos ay yuyukuran mo at paglilingkuran! kasama na po dyan ang imahe nang tao]
What is clear here is that you did not mention verse 3. Together with verses 4 & 5, they shall be one command which prohibits idolatry. Taking out a word (e.g. “anything”) from its context will defeat the purpose of the Command. “Anything” means no exception, right? However the Cherubim are creatures of heaven therefore to create their images is also against the prohibition. But you said these images are exempted. We, too, believe that they are exempted because they are not images of “Idols”. Therefore even if you prostrate before them just like what Joshua did when he prostrates before (in front of) the “entire” Ark of the Covenant (Jos 7:6), it will not make you an idolater. What is bad is Allen’s conclusion. Our conclusion: when Joshua and the people of Israel made the gesture, they are not actually bowing and worshipping the entire Ark of the Covenant, graven images included, however they afforded it with veneration because this is God’s monument, a memorial of His presence (e.g. Judg. 20:26-27)
[Isaiah 46 7 Pinapasan nila siya sa balikat, dinadala nila siya, at inilalagay siya sa kaniyang dako, at siya'y nakatayo; mula sa kaniyang dako ay hindi siya makikilos: oo, may dadaing sa kaniya, gayon ma'y hindi siya makasasagot, o makapagliligtas man sa kaniya sa kaniyang kabagabagan.
Hindi po ba halimbawa to nang ginagawa nang mga Katoliko? Pinuprusisyon, dinadasalan, binibihisan at ginagawan pa nang bahay etc hindi po ba sa harap nang mga imahe nyo dumadaing kayo at nag dadasal humihingi nang tulong o awa?!]
There you are again, trying to fit the verse into our gestures which sounds to us like a false accusation rather than giving information. The verse above refers to the images of idols only. It does not refer to the sacred images like the Cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant. One of the Ten Commandments says “Do not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exo 20:16). Being just an outside observer (e.g. a non practicing Catholic or ADD) doesn’t make you the right judge. Procession is very Biblical though. “The Lord is God; may his light shine upon us. With BRANCHES, join in PROCESSION up to the horns of the altar” (Ps. 118:27 emphasis mine). If your cult has not done one, you may have to ask yourself why they don’t do it if it is in the Bible. For a detailed reading on how the procession is done, you may have to read the specific article about it in this blog.
The Prayers that we make are directed to God, thus we say “Our Father who art in HEAVEN…” We do not say “thou art in the “IMAGE”. To pray to God before an image or in front of the altar is not prohibited. The People of God prayed in front of the altar (with the sacred images) inside the temple – the house of worship (1 kings 8:22). We do the same thing nowadays as we, Christians, are called the New People of God. Again, what is only prohibited is the creation of images of idols which the Catholic Church doesn’t have. By giving the verse above, you want us to believe that your interpretations which are biased by your prejudices are the only reliable. I’m sorry, I’d rather believe to a priest. The Bible says “The lips of the PRIEST speak of knowledge, and the Law must be found in his mouth, since he is the messenger of Yahweh of hosts” (Mal 2:7). Can you claim that you are the messenger of Yahweh of Hosts in the presence of all the readers of this blog?
[Deuteronomy 4 16 Baka kayo'y mangagpakasama, at kayo'y gumawa sa inyo ng isang larawang
inanyuan na kawangis ng alin mang larawan, na kahawig ng lalake o babae,]
Again this verse refers to the image of an “idol” which is truly against the prohibition. However taking the verse out of its context will lead you to other wrong interpretation that God contradicts himself by having His temple created with images in it like the case of Solomon’s temple. God is not a God of confusion (1 Cor 14:33). On the other hand, the temple in the vision of Ezekiel also has graven images of Cherubim with a face of a MAN, “From the door to the inner part of the House, and right around the whole wall of the inner room, outside and inside, were carved cherubs and palm trees, palm trees and cherubs alternating; each cherub had two faces – the FACE of a MAN turned toward the palm tree on one side and the face of a lion toward the palm tree on the other, all around the House” (Eze 41:17-19). Regarding Ezekiel’s vision, It is noteworthy that the temple has one thing in common with the temple made by Solomon – that is the furnishing of “Carved Images”. Be reminded that the temple of Solomon was already destroyed during the siege of Jerusalem and the people of God were banished to Babylon, Ezekiel included. This vision therefore speaks of a future house of worship. God shows Ezekiel what God wants for His house of worship – a structure with sacred images in it that can remind us of Him and His creatures. It’s very Catholic, isn’t it?
[Psalm 115 4 Ang kanilang mga diosdiosan ay pilak at ginto, yari ng mga kamay ng mga tao. Sila'y may 5 mga bibig, nguni't sila'y hindi nangagsasalita; mga mata'y mayroon sila, nguni't hindi sila nangakakakita; 6 Sila'y may mga tainga, nguni't hindi sila nangakakarinig; mga ilong ay mayroon sila, nguni't hindi sila nangakakaamoy; 7 Mayroon silang mga kamay, nguni't hindi sila nangakatatangan; mga paa ay mayroon sila, nguni't hindi sila nangakalalakad; ni nangagsasalita man sila sa kanilang ngalangala. 8 Ang nagsisigawa sa kanila ay magiging gaya nila; Oo, bawa't tumitiwala sa kanila
O yan ang description ng larawang inanyuan na pinagbabawal nang Dios! Hindi ba ganyan ang mga imahen nang Katoliko at hindi katulad nang mga imahe na pinagawa nang Dios kay Moses?!]
The given description in the above verses refers to the image of an idol not to sacred images like the Cherubim. Though some descriptions can also be referred to the sacred images of Cherubim which has a face of a man (Eze 41:19 hence with eyes, mouth, ears etc.) and are made of gold (Exo. 25:18), I believe that even you are certain that it is not referred to them. We too are certain that it does not refer to the images of the saints which are not images of “idols” but “monument” of the saints which remind us of them so that we could emulate them of their holiness and faithfulness to God.
Like king Josiah, we don’t destroy the monuments of the Saints (or Men of God) rather we leave these monuments in peace. “And he said, “What is that monument that I see?” The people of the city said to him, “That is the tomb of the man of God who came from Judah to announce what you have just done with the altar of bethel”. The king commanded, “Leave the tomb in peace, and let no one touch his bones”" (2 Kings 23:17-18).
[Kung hindi kayo inutusan nang Dios na gumawa nang mga imahen kagaya nang pag utos nya kay Moses nangangahulugan lang na utos yan nang tao at hindi nang Dios!]
This is absurd and unbiblical. We emulate those people whose works are godly and pleasing to the eyes of God. The words above shows how inadequate your understanding of the Bible. Jesus said to his APOSTLES, the eleven to be particular: “Go, therefore, and make disciples from all nations. Baptize them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teach them to fulfill all that I have commanded you” (Mt. 28:19-20). Base on your understanding, if you are not the recipient of the commandment then you have no right to do it. Literally, the great commission was given to the apostles ALONE. But every pastor or minister would agree that they are not only for them but for the entire People of God who emulate them in their zeal of proclaiming the gospel.
[At lalong walang mababasa na inutos nang Dios na yukuran at paglingkuran yang mga imahe]
To prostrate oneself in front of a “thing” does not mean worshipping the “thing” itself. Joshua and the people of God prostrate themselves in front of the Ark of the Covenant with the graven images on it. They don’t worship the Ark of the Covenant with the graven images on it however they prostrate before this thing because they worship the invisible God. You can worship God no matter who or what’s in front of you, right?
[Nangangahulugan nang na nilalabag nyo yung sabi nang mga Apostol na huwag hihigit sa mga bagay na nasusulat!
1 Mga Taga-Corinto 4 6 Ang mga bagay ngang ito, mga kapatid, ay inianyo ko sa halimbawa sa aking sarili at kay Apolos dahil sa inyo; upang sa amin ay mangatuto kayo na huwag magsihigit sa mga bagay na nangasusulat;]
Two points: First, the verse is not about “sola scriptura”. Second, you take the verse out of its context thereby you ruin the message that the writer intends to convey. Two rival factions exist in Corinth that St. Paul intends to settle by making an example of himself and Apollos. “Not to be wise above what is written” is a proverbial expression not to judge favorably those who exalt themselves at the expense of the other as it is written, “Whoever wants to be more important in your group shall make himself your servant. And if you want to be first make yourself the servant of all” (Mt 20:26-27). Leaders like himself and Apollos should not be pitted against each other to avoid a case of someone puffing up at the expense of the other. That is the reason why in the previous verse St. Paul reminded them, “Therefore, do not judge before the time, until the coming of the Lord” (1Cor. 4:5).
Allen is the one who goes beyond what is written. He judged us before the appointed time. What is bad, He condemned us using the measuring stick he made marked with prejudices against our faith. “Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye and not see the plank in your own eye?” (Mt. 7:3).
[Hindi din pumapayag ang Dios na gawan nyo sya nang larawang inanyuan so nilalabag nyo utos nya
Isaiah 42 8 Ako ang Panginoon; na siyang aking pangalan: at ang aking kaluwalhatian ay hindi ko ibibigay sa iba, o ang akin mang kapurihan sa mga larawang inanyuan.]
In english, “I am Yahweh, that is my name, I will not give my glory to another; or my praise to
graven images” (Isa 42:8).
These graven images refer to the graven images of idols so your interpretation is absurd. God will never praise idols as shown in the above verse. In the same way, we, Catholics, will never praise idols. As I’ve said our prayer is “Our Father, who art in HEAVEN…” not “thou art in the image”. You create a problem when there is none.
[Isaiah 46 5 Kanino ninyo ako itutulad, at ipaparis, at iwawangis ako, upang kami ay magkagaya?]
Let us read it in English “To whom will you compare me or consider me equal? Against whom will you match me, as though we were alike?” (Isa 46:5)
You again take out the verse out of its context. The above verse simply means that God has no equal (e.g. power, majesty, glory, etc.), compared with whether animate or inanimate objects. Do you ever see Catholics consider the sacred images equal to God? I tell you that even the most uneducated Catholics know the vast difference.
[Acts 17 29 Yamang tayo nga'y lahi ng Dios, ay hindi marapat nating isipin na ang pagka Dios ay katulad ng ginto, o ng pilak, o ng bato, na inukit ng kabihasnan at katalinuhan ng tao.]
I just wonder where you got the lies that Catholics ought to think of divinity as something like a statue of gold or silver or stone, a product of human art and imagination. On the Contrary, the doctrine of the Catholic Church regarding the use of sacred images is clearly and fully expressed by the General Council of Trent in the following words: The images of Christ, and of His Virgin Mother and of other Saints are to be had and retained, especially in churches and a due honor and veneration is to be given to them; not that any DIVINITY or VIRTUE in believed to be in them for which they are to be honored or that any prayer is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their hopes in idols; but because the honor which is given them is referred to the originals which they represent so that by the images which we kiss and before which we uncover our heads or kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness they represent.[1] (emphasis mine)
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1 The Faith of our Fathers, p. 199