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1 Timothy 4:1-3 APPLIES TO THE IGLESIA NI MANALO NOT TO CATHOLICS!

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CATHOLIC APOLOGETICS – RESPOND TO DEFEND 

ABSTAINING FROM EATING “MEAT”, AS URGED BY OUR PRIESTS, IS NOT OF DEMON TEACHINGS.

ANSWERING THE CLAIM OF ANTI-CATHOLIC PROTESTANT, “IGLESIA NI CRISTO” WHO ACCUSING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS OF DEMON TEACHINGS.

THEIR AIM (MOTIVE) IS TO TO DEMONIZE CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND DEROGATE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH THEIR FALSE ACCUSATION, INORDER FOR THEM TO GAIN MORE CONVERT MEMBERS FROM THE WEAK CATHOLIC FAITH.

TO PROVE THEIR CLAIM, THEY USE THIS BIBLICAL VERSE (1 TIMOTHY 4:1-3) AND ALWAYS IN KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE.

1 Timothy 4:1, 3 (King James Version) [1] “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and DOCTRINES OF DEVIL; “Forbidding to marry, and COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM MEATS, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. “

THEN MANALO’S CHURCH WOULD AGAIN SHOW YOU A QOUTED REFERENCE FROM A CATHOLIC BOOK TO EVEN MORE TO PROVE THEIR ACCUSATION :

“By the law of ABSTINENCE the church FORBIDS US TO EAT EITHER MEAT or soups or gravies made from meat, on all Friday’s in the year.” (a handbook of the Catholic faith, p. 424)

SO, BY USING THIS DIRTY TRICKS OF CONNECTING QUOTED REFERENCE FROM CATHOLIC BOOK TO A BIBLICAL VERSE, THUS THEY IMMEDIATELY CONCLUDED THAT OUR CATHOLIC PRIESTS ALONG WITH CATHOLIC TEACHINGS ARE ALL OF DEMONS.

AS A CATHOLICS, HOW COULD WE RESPOND TO THEIR TWISTED CLAIM AND FALSE ACCUSATION ?

● ANSWER # 1:

IF WE INTERPRET THE (1 TIMOTHY 1,3) LITERALLY WITHOUT STUDYING THE WHOLE BIBLE. THEN THE ONE WHO HIT FIRST IS APOSTLE ST. PAUL , BECAUSE HE HIMSELF COMMANDED US TO ABSTAIN FROM EATING MEAT.
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Acts 15:20 (New American Bible) but tell them by letter TO AVOID pollution from idols, unlawful marriage, THE MEAT of strangled animals, and blood.

Acts 15:29 (New American Bible) “namely, to ABSTAIN FROM MEAT sacrificed to idols, from blood, FROM MEATS of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell.'”

Acts 21:25 (New American Bible) “As for the Gentiles who have come to believe, we sent them our decision that they ABSTAIN FROM MEAT sacrificed to idols, from blood, FROM THE MEAT of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage.”

HERE, FORBIDDING TO EAT MEAT IS COMMANDED BY APOSTLE ST. PAUL, DOES IT MEAN HE TEACHES THE TEACHINGS OF DEMONS ? OBVIOUSLY NO !

HE HAS REASON FOR THIS, BECAUSE THESE FOODS ARE CAME FROM THE SACRIFICED (BUTCHERED) ANIMALS THAT WAS OFFERED TO IDOLS (FALSE GODS) DURING RITUALS OF PAGAN PEOPLE.

AND OFCOURSE, THE REASON WHY CATHOLICS PRIESTS URGING US TO ABSTAIN (AVOID) FROM EATING TASTY FOOD LIKE MEAT, IS THAT TO DO FASTING AND TO MOURN FOR BEING PART WITH THE SUFFERING AND DEATH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

● ANSWER # 2:

WHAT CATHOLIC CHURCH DID IS TO URGE ITS FAITHFUL CHURCH MEMBER TO “FAST” FROM CERTAIN DELICIOUS FOOD (ESPECIALLY MEAT) EVERY LENTEN SEASON, ESPECIALLY HOLY WEEK, THIS IS ONLY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

IN FASTING WE SHOULDN’T TAKE FOOD THAT ARE DELICIOUS IN OUR TASTE, AND THAT ARE THE FOODS THAT MADE OF “MEAT”.

THAT’S WHY EVEN APOSTLE ST.PAUL AND PROPHET DANIEL ABSTAIN THEMSELVES FROM MEAT:

1 Corinthians 8:13 (New American Bible) “Therefore, if food causes my brother to sin, , I WILL NEVER EAT MEAT again, so that I may not cause my brother to sin.”

Daniel 10:3 (Good News Bible) “I DID NOT EAT any rich food OR ANY MEAT, drink any wine, or comb my hair until the three weeks were past.”

IF THEY DO, WHY WE CAN’T? SO, AS A CHRISTIANS WE SHOULD DO ALSO, BECAUSE WE ARE SIMPLY IMITATING (FOLLOWING THEIR EXAMPLES).

Philippians 3:17 (New American Bible) “JOIN WITH OTHERS IN BEING IMITATORS OF ME, brothers, and observe those who thus conduct themselves according to the model you have in us.”

● ANSWER # 3:

EVEN THE LORD GOD HIMSELF INSTRUCTED US TO RETURN TO HIM THROUGH FASTING AS WE MOURNING.

Joel 2:12 (New American Bible) “Yet even now, SAYS THE LORD, return to me with your whole heart, WITH FASTING, and weeping, and mourning;”

HERE, DOES IT MEAN THAT OUR LORD HIMSELF IS ALSO A DOCTRINE OF DEMON? SINCE HE INSTRUCTED US TO FAST (ABSTAIN FROM FOOD, IN WHICH NORMALLY INCLUDES “MEAT”)?

THAT’S WHY EVEN JEWISH PEOPLE FROM OLD TESTAMENT DO FASTING AS THEY MOURN :

Esther 4:3 (New American Bible) “Likewise in each of the provinces, wherever the king’s legal enactment reached, THE JEWS WENT INTO DEEP MOURNING, WITH FASTING, weeping, and lament; they all slept on sackcloth and ashes.”

Nehemiah 9:1 (New American Bible) “ On the twenty-fourth day of this month, the ISRAELITES GATHERED TOGETHER FASTING and in sackcloth, their heads covered with dust.”

EVEN JESUS HIMSELF DISCUSSES THE DETAILS OF HOW TO FAST.

Matthew 6:16-18 (New American Bible) [16] “When you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites. They neglect their appearance, so that they may appear to others to be fasting. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward. [17] But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, [18] so that you may not appear to be fasting, except to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees what is hidden will repay you.

SINCE JESUS DISCUSSES HOW TO FAST, THEN, DOES IT MEANS THAT HIS STATEMENT IS OF DEVIL TEACHINGS? OBVIOUSLY NO !

● ANSWER # 4:

EVEN APOSTLE ST. PAUL TELLS US IT’S BETTER NOT TO EAT MEAT,

Romans 14:21 (New Jerusalem Bible) “IT IS BEST TO ABSTAIN FROM EATING ANY MEAT, or drinking any wine, or from any other activity which might cause a brother to fall away, or to be scandalised, or to weaken.”

HERE, APOSTLE ST. PAUL URGING US TO ABSTAIN FROM MEAT, THEN, DOES IT MEANS THAT HIS STATEMENT IS OF DEVIL TEACHINGS? OBVIOUSLY NO !

● ANSWER # 5:

THE WORD “MEAT” IS NOT ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK MANUSCRIPT OF (1 TIMOTHY 4:3), AND WHY?? LET’S HAVE ANOTHER BIBLICAL VERSE WHICH MENTIONED FOR “MEAT”

Romans 14:21 (New American Bible) “it is good not to eat MEAT or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.”

IN GREEK, THIS IS WHAT IT TRANSLATES:

Romans 14:21 (Interlinear-Greek) kalon to mē phagein KREA mēde piein oinon mēde en hō ho adelphos sou proskoptei ē skandalizetai ē asthenei
Link: http://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/14-21.htm

IF GREEK WORD FOR “MEAT” MEANS “KREA”, THE QUESTION IS, HAVE WE FIND OR READ “KREA” IN GREEK (1 TIMOTHY 4:3)?

1 Timothy 4:3 (Interlinear-Greek) kolyonton gamein apechesthai BROMATON ha ho Theos ektisen eis metalempsin meta eucharistias tois pistois kai epegnokosi ten aletheian
Link: http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_timothy/4-3.htm

NOTHING, RIGHT?, WE READ NOTHING ABOUT THE GREEK WORD FOR MEAT “KREA” AND IT’S NOT WRITTEN THERE.

BUT WHAT WE ONLY FOUND IN THAT PASSAGE IS GREEK WORD “BROMATON” WHICH COMES FROM THE WORD “BROMA” WHICH MEANS “FOOD OF ANY KIND.”

THEREFORE, IT’S CLEAR THAT NO ANY “MEAT” IN (1 TIMOTHY 4:3) HAS BEEN ORIGINALLY WRITTEN. BECAUSE GREEK FOR WORD FOR MEAT “KREA” WHICH WRITTEN FROM (ROMANS 14:21) IS THE WORD THAT CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE (1 TIMOTHY 4:3), BUT ONLY “FOOD OF ANY KIND”

● ANSWER # 6:

EVEN MOST OF THE BIBLE TRANSLATIONS WE CAN READ NOTHING ABOUT “MEATS” IN (1 TIMOTHY 4:3).

HERE ARE THE SEVERAL BIBLE TRANSLATIONS, AND ALL OF THESE, NO “MEAT” INDICATED:

1 Timothy 4:3 (New International Version) “They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from CERTAIN FOODS, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.”

1 Timothy 4:3 (Good News Bible) “Such people teach that it is wrong to marry and to eat CERTAIN FOODS. But God created those foods to be eaten, after a prayer of thanks, by those who are believers and have come to know the truth. “

1 Timothy 4:3 (International Standard Version) “They will try to stop people from marrying and from eating CERTAIN FOODS, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.”

1 Timothy 4:3 (New American Standard Bible ) “men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining FROM FOODS which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.”

1 Timothy 4:3 (New Living Translation) “They will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat CERTAIN FOODS. But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth.”

FROM ABOVE DIFFERENT BIBLE TRANSLATIONS, WE ARE CERTAINLY PROVED THAT IT’S NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT BEING REFERRED IN (1 TIMOTHY 4:3)

BECAUSE WE READ NO “MEAT” FROM GREEK MANUSCRIPT AND SEVERAL BIBLE TRANSLATIONS, (EXCEPT THE ONE ERRONEOUS BIBLE TRANSLATION “KING JAMES VERSION”.)

SO THE ONE WHO HITS (POINTING OUT) AS A DOCTRINE OF DEMON IN THE LAST DAYS IS “IGLESIA NI CRISTO” AND WHY?

THIS MAN MADE RELIGION FOUNDED BY FELIX MANALO HAS THE DOCTRINE TO PROHIBIT TO EAT ANY KIND OF FOOD IN CATHOLIC FIESTAS “FEAST”, THUS, WHAT THEY FALSELY ACCUSE IS BOUNCING BACK TO THEM.

● ANSWER # 7

LET US READ AND EXAMINE THE FAVORITE BIBLICAL VERSE USE BY THEIR MINISTERS AGAINST CATHOLIC CHURCH. HERE, WE USE “NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION” FOR (1 TIMOTHY 4:1, 3)

1 Timothy 4:1, 3 (NIV) [1] The Spirit clearly says that IN LATER TIMES SOME WILL ABANDON THE FAITH and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. [3] THEY FORBID PEOPLE TO marry and order them TO ABSTAIN FROM CERTAIN FOODS, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

THE VERSE MENTIONED “in latter times”

DON’T SAY THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH JUST STARTED UP IN THIS LATER TIMES (NOWADAYS)? THE FACT THAT CATHOLICS WAS THE FIRST CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WAY BACK 1ST CENTURY AND CONTINUES ITS EXISTENCE TILL NOW.

THE VERSE ALSO MENTIONED “some will depart the faith”

DON’T SAY THAT IT IS CATHOLICS WHO ARE “SOME”, THE FACT THAT CATHOLIC NUMBER ARE “MANY” AS BILLIONS , FOR US ABANDON OUR 2,000 YEAR OLD CHRISTIAN FAITH .

THEREFORE, THIS PROVES THAT THIS VERSE IT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT CATHOLIC PRIESTS REALLY TEACHES. AND SO, OUR PRIEST IS NOT BEING HIT TO THAT BIBLICAL VERSE.

► QUESTION # 1:

[ IF NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHO BEING REFERRED FROM (1 TIMOTHY 4:1-3), THEN WHO? ]

● ANSWER 1:

THE ANSWERS IS, THE “GNOSTICS” WERE A RELIGION THAT EXISTED ABOUT THE TIME OF CHRIST THEY WERE STRICT ON VEGETARIANISM.

“This passage simply does not apply to the Catholic Church. St. Paul wrote this against certain Gnostic sects of his day, which absolutely forbade their adherents to marry and taught that it was wrong to eat any meat ever!”
Link: http://home.earthlink.net/~mysticalrose/1tim43.html

THE GNOSTICS BELIEVED THAT A HUMAN BEING IS REALLY AN ETERNAL SPIRIT, THAT BECAME TRAPPED INSIDE A BODY. SINCE THE BODY IS A PRISON, IT IS NECESSARILY EVIL, THEREFORE THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THE GNOSTIC DOCETISM IS TO ESCAPE THE BODY AND THE MATERIAL WORLD, AND TO REUNITE WITH THE SPIRITUAL.

THIS FOUNDATIONAL GROUND THAT MATTER AS INHERENTLY EVIL, LEAD THEM TO FORBID PEOPLE TO MARRY WHICH IS REJECTED THE IDEA THAT HUMAN BEING (a flesh/matter) IS A CO-CREATOR OF GOD SINCE MATTER CREATE MATTER AND COMMANDING THEM TO ABSTAIN FROM CERTAIN FOODS THAT WILL NOURISH THE BODY AS DESCRIBED BY ST. PAUL IN (1 Timothy 4:1-3)

THIS HERETICAL TEACHING WAS EMERGE DURING THE END OF THE FIRST CENTURY WHERE SOME OF THE APOSTLE (like Paul) WERE STILL ALIVE AND INDEED BEFORE APOSTLE JOHN WROTE HIS GOSPEL!

● ANSWER 2:

BUT IN LATER TIMES, THIS VERSE HIT THE ACCUSER THEMSELVES.

THEIR ACCUSATION TO OUR CATHOLIC PRIEST TEACHINGS WHICH ALLEGEDLY OF DEMONS TEACHINGS IS BOUNCING BACK TO ACCUSER, “IGLESIA NI CRISTO”. AND HOW??

LET US READ AND EXAMINE THE FAVORITE BIBLICAL VERSE USE BY THEIR MINISTERS AGAINST CATHOLIC CHURCH. HERE, WE USE “NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION” FOR (1 TIMOTHY 4:1, 3)

1 Timothy 4:1, 3 (NIV) [1] The Spirit clearly says that IN LATER TIMES SOME WILL ABANDON THE FAITH and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. [3] THEY FORBID PEOPLE TO marry and order them TO ABSTAIN FROM CERTAIN FOODS, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

# 1. THE VERSE MENTIONED “in latter times”

“IGLESIA NI CRISTO” INSISTED (CLAIM) THAT THEIR CHURCH, WAS REVIVED BY THEIR FOUNDER FELIX MANALO IN THIS LATER TIMES (LAST DAYS)

# 2. THE VERSE ALSO MENTIONED “some will depart the faith”

IGLESIA NI CRISTO, A CHURCH FOUNDED BY MANALO NUMBERING ONLY 2.5 MILLION, (ITS SO FEW ), MAJORITY OF THEM WERE CONVERTS FROM THE LARGE NUMBER OF FAITH, WHICH IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

# 3. THE VERSE ALSO MENTIONED “They…order them to abstain from certain foods”

MANALO’S CHURCH “IGLESIA NI CRISTO ” ADMINISTRATION STRICTLY PROHIBITED (NOT ALLOWED) ITS MEMBER TO GO TO EAT IN CATHOLIC FIESTAS “FEAST”, IN WHICH, ALL FOODS PREPARED THERE ARE MOSTLY MADE OF “MEAT”.

NOW, BY COMBINING THESE THREE MENTIONED PHRASES ABOVE, (“in latter times” + “some will depart the faith” + “They…order them to abstain from certain foods”).

THEREFORE:, IT IS “IGLESIA NI CRISTO” IS THE ONE WHO HIT BY THIS VERSE (1 TIMOTHY 4:1, 3) FORBIDDING TO CERTAIN FOODS IS OF DEMON TEACHINGS.

THUS, THE FAVORITE ACCUSATION OF THEIR MINISTERS TO CATHOLIC PRIESTS USING THAT BIBLICAL VERSE ARE BOUNCING BACK TO THEM.

FURTHERMORE, THE RELIGION OF ISLAM AND ALSO ANOTHER WANNA-BE CHRISTIAN GROUP “SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST” ARE ALSO HAS SAME ISSUE, FORBIDING THEIR PEOPLE, BELIEVERS , TO ABSTAIN (AVOID) OF EATING “MEAT” FROM PORK (PIG).

► QUESTION # 2:
[ IF NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHO BEING REFEREED FROM (1 TIMOTHY 4:1-3), THEN WHY YOUR PRIESTS COMMANDED YOU TO ABSTAIN FROM EATING MEATS?? ]

● ANSWER :

ABSTAINING FROM EATING MEAT IS ALWAYS UNDER CATEGORIZED BY “FASTING”,

FASTING IS THE THING THAT YOU AVOIDING OF EATING SOMETHING, THIS IS SELF DISCIPLINARY ACTION.

WHEN A PERSON FAST, THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS WHY THAT PERSON DO FASTING.

BUT IN BIBLICAL SENSE, FASTING IS ALWAYS ACCOMPANIED WITH MOURNING, AS JEWS ALWAYS DID.

IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WE DO FASTING BECAUSE WE MOURN FOR JESUS SUFFERING AND DEATH, THIS SHOWS THAT YOU’RE BEING PART WITH THE ONES SUFFERING, AS YOU ARE IN MOURNING, THIS SIGNIFIES THAT YOU’RE PART WITH THEM.

IF ONE MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY DIED, DO YOU TAKE TO EAT TASTY AND DELICIOUS FOOD? ESPECIALLY MEAT CUISINE?

THAT’S WHY, DURING LENT & HOLY WEEK, CATHOLICS DO FASTING FROM ANY RICH & DELICIOUS FOODS LIKE MEAT. THIS FOR BEING PART WITH THE SUFFERING OF LORD JESUS WHO DIED ON THE CROSS, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL MEMBER OF JESUS AS ONE BODY, ANYONE WHO SUFFERS, THE OTHERS ALSO SUFFERS:

1 Corinthians 12:26-27 (King James Version) [26] And whether ONE MEMBER SUFFER, ALL THE MEMBERS SUFFER WITH IT; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. [27] “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. “

AND IF THIS ANTI-CATHOLIC RELIGION, “IGLESIA NI CRISTO” BITTERLY INSISTED THAT THEY ARE THE TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST, THEN WHY THEY DO NOT TAKE A PART WITH THIS SUFFERING OF JESUS, EVEN BY SIMPLY FASTING IN JUST FEW DAYS BEFORE HOLY FRIDAY?,
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THUS, THIS MANALO’S CHURCH “IGLESIA NI CRISTO” IS DEFINITELY NOT PART OF JESUS BODY. BUT OF THE OUTSIDE, THAT’S MAKES THEM BELONG TO FAKE ONE.

► LOGICAL QUESTION FOR ACCUSER, MANALO’S CHURCH “IGLESIA NI CRISTO”

– How came that catholic people prohibited by their Church authority not to eat meat, the fact that they simply urge by the Church to do a fasting from delicious food (like meat)? And not a total prohibition of meats for a lifetime.

– how came that a Catholic Church to be a teachings of demon, if we Catholics are just following apostle st. Paul who also do not eat meat? and he says do follow their examples?

– how came that the Church authority prohibits the total consumption of meat, the fact the it is done occasionally (in a short period of time) not for a lifetime, AND infact there are still lot of Catholics who eat meats during the Lenten season, it means that Catholic authorities does not really demand for total of consuming meat.

– how came that the Catholic church is referring to (1 Timothy 4:1-3) when Saint Paul the apostle historically wrote this to condemned the Gnostic heresy during his time which he referring to.

– how came that the Catholic church is referring to (1 Timothy 4:1-3) if St. Paul the apostle wrote it originally in Greek that has no “meat” written, instead, it was originally written to abstain from “any kind of food”?

– Even the “Doctors” would teaches / instructed / advises us not to eat meat because its not even healthy due to some health issues. are these doctors also a teachings from Demons?


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