CRUCIFXION by Giotto
Father it is very unfair that you CUT my explanation and post it in this website and you will conclude my incomplete explanation.
Splendor1618 ·
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DO NOT LIE TO ME AND TO YOURSELF. YOUR FULL STATEMENT IS GIVEN AND NOT CUT.
IT IS NOT STATED THEREIN FORM THE VERSES OF EACH OF THE FOUR EVANGELISTS THAT THE HUMAN SPIRIT OF JESUS ONLY WAS YIELDED UP. WHAT IS STATED THERE IS THAT “JESUS YIELDED UP HIS SPIRIT” OR IN OLD VERSION “THE GHOST” WHICH IS SPIRIT IN LATIN. IT WAS JESUS THE PERSON WHO DIED NOT THE HUMAN NATURE ONLY. IT WAS JESUS WHO CRIED OUT AND YIELDED HIS SPIRIT.
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THAT PASSAGE THAT THE HUMAN NATURE YIELDED THE SPIRIT?
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE LYING TO US. YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT “THE HUMAN SPIRIT” WAS YIELDED. IT IS JESUS WHO YIELDED THE SPIRIT AND JESUS IS GOD. IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED. NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA NIENTE. NEVER EVER. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!! JESUS IS GOD. THE PERSON OF JESUS IS GOD.
IS THE SPIRIT OF JESUS HUMAN SPIRIT ONLY OR DIVINE ALSO?
My Answer:
I did not say that in each verses has a word ‘HUMAN SPIRIT”. What I mean is, those verses means that the HUMANITY OF JESUS DIED. After Jesus gave up his spirit, the spirit in SMALL LETTER “s” separated from his body. THEREFORE, those verses is the DEATH of Jesus humanity. Only the human spirit of Jesus not the Divine Spirit in a capital “S”. We are all catholics father and please don’t use BAD WORDS like stupid, ignorant etc…much better that you will say “study more”. Don’t say that I am lying…I say what those verses means not in literal form. You too understand it not in literal meaning because nowhere in those verses that we can read “GOD DIED”. “GOD DIED” have two words with seven letters. Please review father if you can read the word “GOD DIED” in those verses. And if you cannot found the two words with seven letters you will accept that you are not telling the truth? Because my question is, Where can we found in the bible that “GOD DIED”? Because the bible is the authentic source of magisterium.Another question:
I did not say that in each verses has a word ‘HUMAN SPIRIT”. What I mean is, those verses means that the HUMANITY OF JESUS DIED. After Jesus gave up his spirit, the spirit in SMALL LETTER “s” separated from his body. THEREFORE, those verses is the DEATH of Jesus humanity. Only the human spirit of Jesus not the Divine Spirit in a capital “S”. We are all catholics father and please don’t use BAD WORDS like stupid, ignorant etc…much better that you will say “study more”. Don’t say that I am lying…I say what those verses means not in literal form. You too understand it not in literal meaning because nowhere in those verses that we can read “GOD DIED”. “GOD DIED” have two words with seven letters. Please review father if you can read the word “GOD DIED” in those verses. And if you cannot found the two words with seven letters you will accept that you are not telling the truth? Because my question is, Where can we found in the bible that “GOD DIED”? Because the bible is the authentic source of magisterium.Another question:
1.) The Logos is Spirit of not?
2.) Jesus assumed humanity and is perfect man, my question: He have human spirit or no?
2.) Jesus assumed humanity and is perfect man, my question: He have human spirit or no?
Splendor1618 ·
Works at Catholic Faith Defender
[My Answer:]
LET ME CHECK IT PIECE BY PIECE.
[I did not say that in each verses has a word ‘HUMAN SPIRIT”. ]
I DIDN’T SAY THAT YOU CLAIMED THAT EACH OF THE VERSES IN THE FOUR GOSPELS CONTAINED THE WORD ‘HUMAN SPIRIT’.
I AM REFUTING YOUR CLAIM THAT JESUS GAVE UP HIS ‘HUMAN SPIRIT’ ONLY. THAT IS VERY STUPID BECAUSE THE SPIRIT OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD:
LET ME PRESENT HERE EACH OF THE VERSES USED FOR NO. 3 ALL FROM DOUAY-RHEIMS BIBLE:
Mt 27:50 And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mk 15:37 And Jesus, having cried out with a loud voice, gave up the ghost.
Lk 23:46 And Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. And saying this, he gave up the ghost.
Jn 19:30 Jesus therefore, when he had taken the vinegar, said: It is consummated. And bowing his head, he gave up the ghost.
OFFICIAL LATIN VULGATE:
Mt 27:50 Iesus autem iterum clamans voce magna emisit spiritum
Mk 15:37 Iesus autem emissa voce magna exspiravit
Lk 23:46 et clamans voce magna Iesus ait Pater in manus tuas commendo spiritum meum et haec dicens exspiravit
Jn 19:30 cum ergo accepisset Iesus acetum dixit consummatum est et inclinato capite tradidit spiritum
IT IS NOT STATED THEREIN FORM THE VERSES OF EACH OF THE FOUR EVANGELISTS THAT THE HUMAN SPIRIT OF JESUS ONLY WAS YIELDED UP. WHAT IS STATED THERE IS THAT “JESUS YIELDED UP HIS SPIRIT” OR IN OLD VERSION “THE GHOST” WHICH IS SPIRIT IN LATIN. IT WAS JESUS THE PERSON WHO DIED NOT THE HUMAN NATURE ONLY. IT WAS JESUS WHO CRIED OUT AND YIELDED HIS SPIRIT.
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THAT PASSAGE THAT THE HUMAN NATURE YIELDED THE SPIRIT?
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE LYING TO US. YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT “THE HUMAN SPIRIT” WAS YIELDED. IT IS JESUS WHO YIELDED THE SPIRIT AND JESUS IS GOD. IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED. NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA NIENTE. NEVER EVER. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!! JESUS IS GOD. THE PERSON OF JESUS IS GOD.
IS THE SPIRIT OF JESUS HUMAN SPIRIT ONLY OR DIVINE ALSO?
Gal 4:6 [DRB] “And because you are sons, God hath sent THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father.”
Phil 1:19 [DRB] “For I know that this shall fall out to me unto salvation, through your prayer and the supply of THE SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST,”
1 Pt 1:11 [DRB] “Searching what or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST in them did signify, when it foretold those sufferings that are in Christ and the glories that should follow.”
THE SPIRIT OF JESUS, THE SPIRIT OF THE SON, THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IS ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT. THAT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF OUR GOD BECAUSE JESUS IS GOD:
1 Cor 6:11 [DRB] “And such some of you were. But you are washed: but you are sanctified: but you are justified: in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and THE SPIRIT OF OUR GOD.”
THE LORD JESUS GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT ON THE CROSS “I commend MY SPIRIT” [Lk 23:46] AND THAT SPIRIT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH HE GAVE UP FOR THE SANCTIFICATION OF THE WORLD. THAT IS WHY HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS IS CALLED REDEMPTION AND SALVATION. IT WAS AN ACT OF THE GOD-MAN AND NOT OF THE MAN ONLY. THAT IS WHY THE BIBLE CONTINUOUSLY SAYS “JESUS” [PERSON] AND NOT HUMAN NATURE ONLY.
READ YOUR BIBLE CAREFULLY. YOU HAVE ADDED “HUMAN” TO THE SPIRIT OF JESUS. THE SPIRIT OF THE SON, THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. YOUR VIEW OF THE DEATH OF JESUS IS VERY SUPERFICIAL. YOU ARE INTERPRETING IN A SHALLOW MANNER
[What I mean is, those verses means that the HUMANITY OF JESUS DIED.]
PLEASE STOP IMPOSING ON US THAT STUPID STATEMENT AGAIN AND AGAIN. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS DIED. IT WAS REFERRED TO THE PERSON. IT DOESN’T SAY: “THE HUMANITY DIED”. HUMANITY DOESN’T DIE. IT IS A MERE PRINCIPLE OF OPERATION AND NOT THE AGENT OF THE ACTION.
EVEN IN HUMAN BEINGS WE DO NOT SAY: “THE HUMANITY OF JOHN F. KENNEDY DIED” THAT IS STUPID AND ILLOGICAL. WE SAY: JOHN F. KENNEDY DIED, JOSE RIZAL DIED… OR THE PRESIDENT DIED, THE NATIONAL HERO DIED. PLEASE DON’T IMPOSE YOUR STUPIDITY ON OTHERS.
[After Jesus gave up his spirit, the spirit in SMALL LETTER “s” separated from his body.]
ANOTHER MANIFESTATION OF STUPIDITY AGAIN. GOSH, YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE SMALL LETTER. ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT THE EARLIEST BOOK OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WERE ALL WRITTEN IN CAPITAL LETTERS? THAT TERM SPIRIT OF JESUS WERE ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS AND ONLY LATER ON THEY APPLIED THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN CAPITAL AND SMALL LETTERS.
THE BIBLE IS CATEGORICAL THAT THE SPIRIT OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD. IT IS THE SAME SPIRIT BECAUSE JESUS IS GOD.
[THEREFORE, those verses is the DEATH of Jesus humanity.]
ANOTHER STUPID CONCLUSION. THOSE VERSES REFERS TO THE DIVINE PERSON OF JESUS DYING. IT WAS THE NAME “JESUS” REFERRED TO AND NOT “HUMANITY”. JESUS DIED AS THEY PROCLAIMED AND NOT “HUMANITY”. NOT A SINGLE STATEMENT REFERRING TO “HUMANITY IN THOSE VERSES AND EVEN THE ENTIRE CHAPTER. NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA NIENTE. NEVER EVER. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!!
[Only the human spirit of Jesus not the Divine Spirit in a capital “S”.]
HA HA HA… AS THIS ARGUMENTATION IS GOING ON WITH THE PROPONENTS OF “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED” THE MORE THE STUPIDITIES OF THESE PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT OUT. HA HA HA… FIRST WITH REDENTER DE LA ROSA, THEN WITH DONATO POTONG NOW THIS YANZ RESPONSO. HA HA HA THESE CHARLATANS HAVE NO LIMITS IN SHAMELESSNESS AND SHALLOWNESS. HA HA HA…
THE SPIRIT OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND NOT THE HUMAN SPIRIT ONLY. THE SPIRIT OF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE JESUS IS GOD.
THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS AND THEREFORE YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT SMALL LETTER IS CHEAP SHOT.
[We are all catholics father and please don’t use BAD WORDS like stupid, ignorant etc… much better that you will say “study more”.]
ARE REALLY CATHOLIC? HOW COME YOU DO NOT OBEY THE WORD FOR WORD DOGMATIC TEACHING OF THE CATECHISM OF TRENT THAT “GOD DIED” “GOD WAS BORN”? HOW COME UNTIL NOW YOU ARE STILL IMPOSING YOUR OWN LIMITED AND STUPID POSITION CONTRARY TO THE DIRECT TEACHING OF THE UNIVERSAL CATECHISM?
I AM NOT USING BAD WORDS. I AM SIMPLY DESCRIBING YOU AS YOU ARE. YOU PRETEND TO BE EXPERT IN DOGMATIC THEOLOGY TO THE POINT THAT YOU ARE ATTACKING THE WORD FOR WORD TEACHING OF THE ROMAN CATECHISM OF TRENT. WE CANNOT ALLOW THAT.
YOU REALLY NEED TO STUDY MORE AND ONCE AGAIN I ADMONISH YOU NOT TO IMPOSE YOUR IGNORANCE ON US.
[Don’t say that I am lying…]
YOU ARE LYING. YOU ARE LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH.
[I say what those verses means not in literal form.]
IF YOU WANT TO PRETEND TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE BIBLE STUDY BIBLICAL THEOLOGY AS WELL. ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE PRETENDING TO BE INTERPRETING THE BIBLE MORE THAN THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CATECHISM OF TRENT THAT “GOD DIED” AND “GOD WAS BORN”.
AS A CATHOLIC YOU ARE CALLED TO INTERPRET THE BIBLE IN ACCORD WITH THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CHURCH INSTEAD YOU ARE IMPOSING YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION CONTRARY TO THE DIRECT TEACHING OF THE MAGISTERIUM. HOW DARE YOU?
BEFORE YOU PRETEND TO BE THE CORRECT INTERPRETER OF THE BIBLE YOU SHOULD STUDY BIBLICAL THEOLOGY FIRST AND SEE WHICH ARE THE ONES TO BE INTERPRETED LITERALLY AND THOSE WHICH ARE NOT AND IN WHAT MANNER ARE THEY TO BE INTERPRETED.
[You too understand it not in literal meaning because nowhere in those verses that we can read “GOD DIED”.]
YOU ARE NOT ONLY A LIAR AND STUPID BUT YOU ARE ALSO A FOOL. THE WORD “GOD DIED” ACCORDING TO YOU CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE? HOW ABOUT THE WORD “THE HUMANITY DIED”? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
THE BIBLE IS VERY CLEAR. JESUS IS GOD. THE DOGMA OF THE CHURCH STATES: JESUS IS GOD. THEN THE BIBLE STATES JESUS DIED. THE CATECHISM STATES “GOD DIED”. THE BIBLE ALSO STATES GOD HIMSELF AS ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST SAYING: “I WAS DEAD” “WHO WAS DEAD”:
Rev 1:8 [NAB] ‘I am THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA,’ says THE LORD GODt, who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:17-18 [NAB] “When I caught sight of him, I fell down at his feet as though dead. He touched me with his right hand and said, Do not be afraid. I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST, the one who lives. Once I WAS DEAD, but now I am alive forever and ever. I hold the keys to death and the netherworld.”
Rev 2:8 [NAB] “‘Write to the angel of the church in Smyrna and say, “Here is the message of THE FIRST AND THE LAST, who WAS DEAD and has come to life again:”
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA HAS SPOKEN. GOD HIMSELF HAS SPOKEN. GOD WAS DEAD. HE DIED ONCE.
THE CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT HAS SPOKEN: “GOD DIED” AND “GOD WAS BORN”.
FOR THE GOOD OF YOUR SOUL BE OPEN TO THE TRUTH OF SACRED SCRIPTURES AND THE TRUTH PROCLAIMED BY THE MAGISTERIUM OF THE CHURCH. STOP IMPOSING YOUR OWN LIMITED KNOWLEDGE.
[“GOD DIED” have two words with seven letters. Please review father if you can read the word “GOD DIED” in those verses.]
HA HA HA… “ONLY THE HUMANITY DIED” HAS ONLY 4 WORDS WITH 19 LETTERS HAVE YOU COUNTED THAT? PLEASE REVIEW IF YOU CAN READ THOSE WORDS IN THOSE VERSES.
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE STUPIDLY USING A CRITERION ON ME WHICH YOU DO NOT APPLY ON YOUR OWN ALTERNATIVE POSITION. EXCUSE ME. HELLO. HE HE HE… YOUR CLAIM THAT “ONLY THE HUMANITY OF JESUS DIED” IS NEVER WRITTEN IN THOSE VERSES. NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA NIENTE. NEVER EVER. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!! HA HA HA
YOUR REASONING BACKFIRES ON YOU.
[And if you cannot found the two words with seven letters you will accept that you are not telling the truth?]
HOW ABOUT IF YOU CANNOT FIND YOUR CLAIM “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED” WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH?
I AM TELLING THE TRUTH BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OFFICIALLY AND CATEGORICALLY AND WORD FOR WORD TEACHES THAT “GOD DIED” THROUGH THE ROMAN CATECHISM WHICH IS THE FIRST EVER UNIVERSAL CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE CHURCH BEING THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH IS PROCLAIMING THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL [cf. 1 Tim 3:15].
WHOM WILL I BELIEVE THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA OR A FOOL LIKE YOU?
WHOM WILL I BELIEVE ST. PIUS V AND THE ROMAN CATECHISM OR A FOOL LIKE YOU?
[Because my question is, Where can we found in the bible that “GOD DIED”? Because the bible is the authentic source of magisterium.]
I ALREADY ANSWED. GOD – THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA DECLARED: “I WAS DEAD”. THE BIBLE STATES THAT THE LORD GOD, THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA “WAS DEAD”. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS GOD AND ALSO JESUS DIED. THE CATECHISM OF TRENT DECLARES THAT “GOD DIED”. SO THE MAGISTERIUM TEACHES THAT “GOD DIED”.
UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU BOTH THE BIBLE AND THE MAGISTERIUM NEVER EVER TEACH YOUR HERETICAL AND ILLOGICAL CLAIM THAT “ONLY THE HUMANITY DIED” OR “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED”. NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA NIENTE. NEVER EVER. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!! HA HA HA
[Another question:]
HOW NICE OF YOU.
[1.) The Logos is Spirit of not?]
THE LOGOS WAS PURE SPIRIT BEFORE HIS INCARNATION [cf. Jn 1:1]. BUT WHEN THE LOGOS INCARNATED, HE BECAME FLESH AND THEREFORE HE GOT A HUMAN BODY [cf. Jn 1:14] IN THE WOMB OF THE BLESSED MOTHER OF GOD [cf. Mt 1:23].
NOW HERE IS MY COUNTER QUESTION TO YOU:
DID THE LOGOS BECAME FLESH AND HAD A HUMAN BODY AS THE BIBLE AND THE MAGISTERIUM SAY OR NOT?
[2.) Jesus assumed humanity and is perfect man, my question: He have human spirit or no?]
JESUS ASSUMED HUMANITY AND THEREFORE AS THE COUNCIL OF CHALCEDON TEACHES HE GOT ONE DIVINE PERSON WITH TWO NATURES: DIVINE AND HUMAN. BEING HUMAN HE HAS A HUMAN SOUL AND A HUMAN BODY. JESUS HAS NO HUMAN SPIRIT BUT DIVINE SPIRIT. THE SPIRIT OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD. JESUS ONLY HAS A HUMAN SOUL.
HERE IS MY COUNTER QUESTION TO YOU:
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH THAT THE LORD JESUS HAS HUMAN SPIRIT BESIDES HIS HUMAN SOUL?