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Part 3: REFUTING THE HERETICAL FORMULA OF THE CHARLATAN REDENTOR DE LA ROSA: “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED”

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The Crucifixion of Jesus the Lord

The Crucifixion of Jesus the Lord

Redentor de la Rosa
This is taken from Isahel Alfonso’s blog. The black texts are mine, the red are his. This article is his reply to mine in 2010.
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I find two heresies committed by Isahel here:

1. He rejected the formula “Christ died in his human nature.”

2. He said that we can’t attribute death (and suffering) to the human nature because they are only attributed to the Person.

I am inviting Isahel Alfonso to explain his words. He and Fr. Abe claimed they didn’t changed their stand. But here, the evidence says otherwise.

RESPONSE:
[I find two heresies committed by Isahel here:]

DO NOT IMPOSE ON ISAHEL YOUR OWN HERESIES WHICH ARE FRUITS OF YOUR STUPIDITIES SUCH AS “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED” AND “ONLY THE BODY DIED”. ISAHEL WAS DEFENDING THE FORMULA “GOD-DIED” FROM THE CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT EVER SINCE WHILE YOU ARE REJECTING IT BY IMPOSING YOUR “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED” AND “ONLY THE BODY DIED”.

[1. He rejected the formula “Christ died in his human nature.”]

OUT OF CONTEXT. BRO. ISAHEL REJECTED YOUR EFFORT TO USE THE FORMULA “CHRIST DIED IN HIS HUMAN NATURE” BECAUSE YOU ARE USING IT TO SUPPORT AND IMPOSE YOUR HERETICAL FORMULAS: “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED” AND “ONLY THE BODY DIED”. JUST LIKE NOW. YOU STUPIDLY USE OUR CFD FORMULA: “GOD DIED IN HIS HUMAN NATURE” FOR YOUR SELF-SERVING PURPOSE OF EXONERATING YOURSELF FROM HERETICAL FORMULAS: “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED” AND “ONLY THE BODY DIED”. BRO. ISAHEL WAS SIMPLY TELLING YOU TO ATTRIBUTE DEATH AND SUFFERING TO THE PERSON OF JESUS RATHER THAN TO NATURE.
THE PHRASE “CHRIST DIED IN HIS HUMAN NATURE” IS UPHELD BY ISAHEL IN ESSENCE AND IN MEANING BY UPHOLDING THAT THE ONE WHO DIED IS JESUS OUR GOD. THAT IS WHY HE WAS DEBATING YOU IN DEFENSE OF “GOD DIED ON THE CROSS” TEACHING.
YOUR POSITION OF “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED” AND “ONLY THE BODY DIED” IS THE ONE WHICH IS CONTRARY TO THE FORMULA: “CHRIST DIED IN HIS HUMAN NATURE” BECAUSE INSTEAD OF PROCLAIMING THAT IT WAS CHRIST THE LORD WHO DIED YOU CLAIM THAT IT WAS ONLY THE BODY AND ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE WHICH IS ILLOGICAL AND PLAIN STUPID. IT IS YOUR DISTORTED USE OF THE FORMULA “IN HIS HUMAN NATURE” WHICH HE QUESTIONS. IF YOU WILL USE THE FORMULA: “CHRIST DIED IN HIS HUMAN NATURE” IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT “THE HUMAN  NATURE ONLY” DIED OR “ONLY THE BODY DIED”. THAT IS TOO MUCH STRETCH OF HALLUCINATION AND DELUSION. 

[2. He said that we can’t attribute death (and suffering) to the human nature because they are only attributed to the Person.]
 ISAHEL IS CORRECT. THAT IS WHY THE FORMULA IS “GOD DIED IN HIS HUMAN NATURE”. THE ONE WHO DIED IS JESUS OUR GOD AND NOT HUMAN NATURE ONLY, NOT THE BODY ONLY. ALL THE ACTIONS OF BOTH THE DIVINE AND HUMAN NATURES OF CHRIST MUST BE ATTRIBUTED TO ONE PERSON ONLY – THE DIVINE PERSON OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST:

“There is but one hypostasis [or person], which is our Lord Jesus Christ, one of the Trinity. Thus EVERY THING IN CHRIST HUMAN NATURE is to be ATTRIBUTED TO HIS DIVINE PERSON as its PROPER SUBJECT, NOT ONLY his miracles but also his SUFFERINGS and even DEATH: He who was crucified in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ. . .” CCC #468

Whatever is predicated of the Divine Person of Christ according to his Divine Nature, can and must be predicated of the same Divine Person also in His Human Nature, and vice versa. [Dogma Vol.4, Christology: A Dogmatic Treatise on the Incarnation, p.185, Msgr. Joseph Pohle, Ph.D, D.D]

He was conceive and born; he suffered and died (Human realities). He performed miracles, forgave sins, and resurrected from the dead (Divine operations). The Divine Person must solely possess them, since ALL PROPERTIES AND ACTIONS ARE ALWAYS OF THE PERSON AND NOT OF THE NATURE. For example, IT IS THE PERSON WHO IS BORN AND DIES, NOT A NATURE.. [Faith Seeking Understanding, Vol.1, p.282, Charles Belmonte]

JESUS ONLY GOD ONE PERSON AND THAT ONE PERSON OF JESUS IS GOD. HE IS A DIVINE PERSON. ISAHEL IS WELL SUPPORTED BY THE SUPREME AUTHORITY OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PREPARED BY CARDINAL JOSEF RATZINGER LATER ON BECAME POPE BENEDICT XVI AND SIGNED BY ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE WORLD WITH THE PONTIFICAL PROMULGATION BY NO LESS THAN ST. JOHN PAUL THE GREAT.

ON YOUR PART, UNTIL NOW YOU CANNOT SHOW US ANY IOTA OF PROOF FROM ANY MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENT THAT: “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED” AND “ONLY THE BODY DIED”. HA HA HA NONE… NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE, NEVER EVER… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET! HA HA HA…

WHY? WHAT IS THE REASON WHY YOU CANNOT PROVIDE A DIRECT CITATION OF YOUR FORMULAS? BECAUSE THEY ARE HERETICAL. AS LUTHER GOT HIS “FAITH ONLY” AND ‘SCRIPTURE ONLY” YOU MR. PINK OR RATHER MR. FUSCHIA GOT “HUMAN NATURE ONLY” AND “BODY ONLY”. HA HA HA… YOU ARE BIRDS OF THE SAME FEATHER. BOTH HERETICAL AT BEST.


[I am inviting Isahel Alfonso to explain his words. He and Fr. Abe claimed they didn’t changed their stand. But here, the evidence says otherwise.]

WELL, DON’T WORRY HE WILL RESPOND TO YOU IN KIND. HA HA HA…
WELL, WE DIDN’T REALLY CHANGED OUR POSITION. WE DEBATED YOU IN DEFENSE OF “GOD DIED”. THE FORMULA THAT WE ACCEPTED IS “GOD DIED IN HIS HUMAN NATURE”. SO DEATH AND SUFFERING ARE STILL ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS OUR GOD AND NOT TO “HUMAN NATURE ONLY” OR “TO THE BODY ONLY”. NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE, NEVER EVER… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET! HA HA HA… THERE WILL BE CHANGE IF WE SAY: “GOD DIED” THEN SUDDENLY WE ACCEPT: “ONLY THE HUMAN NATURE DIED”. NO NO NO… NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE, NEVER EVER… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET! HA HA HA… IN BOTH CASE THE ONE WHO DIED FOR US IS JESUS OUR GOD NOT THE HUMAN NATURE ONLY AND NOT THE BODY ONLY. WE DIDN’T SUCCUMB TO YOUR HERESIES AND YOUR STUPIDITIES. SORRY FOR YOU MR. FUSCHIA. DREAM ON. HA HA HA NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE, NEVER EVER… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET! HA HA HA…

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