Defending the BLESSED MOTHER MARY and the confused ADD/MCGI member by Winnie Ibe

First, let’s read the verse where Mary is said to be the most blessed among all woman.

Luke 1:42 KJVS
[42] And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

She is indeed blessed all among women.

She too fulfils what Christ said as she perfectly act in obedience to the word of God.

Luke 1:38 KJVS
[38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Luke 1:46-48 KJVS
[46] And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, [47] And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. [48] For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.”

SI Maria Ay mapalad DAHIL SIYA ang ina ng tagapagligtas o ng ating Panginoon.

Siya din ay mapalad Dahil nakinig at ginanap NIYA ang kagustuhan ng Dios.”

Val said:

Naintindihan mo ba yung verse Winnie Ibe?

Dinadagdagan niyo kasi ng sarili niyong unawa yung bibliya.
May makikita ka diyan sa verse na hindi nakasulat sa letra,pero kasama sa nakasulat mismo sa verse na yan
Pasakop kayo sa bibliya makikita mo

Val Angel,

The verses are clear and it agrees with Catholic position. It’s just a matter of you denying it.

Val’s response:

Tanungin kita Winnie Ibe kung naiintindihan mo.
Sa pagkakataon na yan( sa verse luke 11:27-28) nandiyan po ba si Maria?

Let’s read it brother:

Luke 11:27-28 KJVS
[27] And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. [28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. …”

My COMMENT:

Mary is that BLESSED WOMAN who conceived Jesus in her WOMB and who breast Fed him. Therefore, Mary is the one being mentioned.

Verse 28 Christ Jesus mentions who are blessed and identified them as those “who hear and keep the word of God”, OF COURSE MARY “heard the WORD OF GOD AND SHE OBEDIENTLY KEPT IT. Therefore on both verses Mary perfectly fits in.

Val said:

Ulit
Tanungin kita Winnie Ibe kung naiintindihan mo.
Sa pagkakataon na yan( sa verse luke 11:27-28) nandiyan po ba si Maria?

Pag eto hinde mo sinagot ng diretso Winnie Ibe
Iiwanan ko na itong usapan na to.
Mahilig kayo magpaliwanag napaka simple ng tanong”

Mary was mentioned but not on the scene..

Val responded:

Hinde nakikinig si maria sa pagkakataong yan na nangangaral ang Panginoong Hesus.
Tama po ba?”

MY REPLY:

Your question is irrelevant my friend. Irregardless wether she was present or not at the moment the BLESSED MOTHER LISTENED TO the WORD GOD AND KEPT
IT. What you are asking makes no sense.

Val’s response:

Ulit
Hinde nakikinig si maria sa pagkakataong yan na nangangaral ang Panginoong Hesus.
Tama po ba?

Mahilig ka talaga Winnie Ibe mag conclusion sagutin mo mga tanong ko makikita mo yung laman ng verse
Wag mo lang pangunahan
Pakisagot po.”

My REPLY:

She wasn’t there but how did you know that she didn’t heard about it? Let say that she was not there and therefore she was not listening at that time. Are you trying to imply that she did not listen to the word of God thus never kept it? Please clarify your stand.

Val’s response:

Salamat sa sagot Winnie Ibe.
Hinde nakikinig si maria sa pagkakataong yan,agree tayo diyan
Kahit hindi nakikinig si maria sa pagkakataong yan hindi mo mai aalis na siya (si maria) ang babaing nagdala ng katawang tao ng Panginoon
Pero sa pagkakataong yan kahit si maria na nagdala ng katawang tao ng Panginoon ay hindi nakikinig sa salita ng Dios
Ay nagiging mas mapalad pa ang nakikinig kaysa kay maria.

Ngayon tama ka sa analysis mo na mapalad din si maria dahil nakinig naman siya sa salita ng Dios
Pero sa pagkakataong yan lukas 11:27-28 wala siya at hindi nakikinig ay mas nagiging mapalad ang mga nakikinig”

My reply:

That is simply a WRONG CONCLUSION. May I confirm from you if what you are claiming now is WHAT YOU RECEIVED AND EXPLAINED BY SORIANO or just from you?

Val said:

Conclusion na naman Winnie Ibe

I asked him:

Please answer.

Val complained:

Wala na ba akong maririnig galing sa inyo na “mali ka”,
“Naloko ka “
Wala ka naman maitutol
Mahiral kayo kausap”
Tutulan mo yung pagkakaintindi ko.”

My REPLY:

Dahil sa pagkakataon Yan Ay wala si Maria at hindi Niya narinig ang SINABI ng Panginoon ay HINDI na siya ang masmapalad? O kaya’y ang mga nakarinig sa KANYA at that time AY MAS naging MAS MAPALAD? Pakisagot po.”

Val again said:

Magulo ang tanong mo Winnie Ibe
Pero subukan kong sagutin
Wala akong sinabi na HINDI MAPALAD si maria
MAPALAD NGA dahil siya ang nagdala ng katawang tao ng Panginoon
Pero sabi ng Panginoon MAS MAPALAD yung nakikinig kasya kay maria na wala sa pagkakataong yon na hindi nakikinig.
Sa pagkakataong yan”

My RESPONSE:

Please explain KUNG bakit masmapalad yong mga nakarinig sa kanya at that very time kumpara Kay Maria.

Val said;

Kasi po Winnie Ibe Wala si maria that time,hindi siya nakikinig ng salita ng Dios that time.
THAT TIME ONLY”

MY RESPONSE:

Ibig mo bang sabihin ay ang SINALITA ng PANGINOON at that time only ay yon na ang kabuan ng SALITA ng Dios? If they kept those words he said AT THAT TIME ONLY MAKES THEM MORE BLESSED THAN MARY? And because Mary was not there and missed Jesus words at that time made her less blessed than those who heard Christ?

Tell me what are those messages? Please do clarify. Thanks.

Here is the text:

Luke 11:27-28 KJVS
[27]”And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. [28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”

Val answered:

Salamat mas maganda ganito po tayo mag usap,
Walang side comments.

Una hinde lahat ng salita ng Dios ipinangaral ng Panginoon that time.wala akong sinabing ganyan
Ang ibig ituro ng Panginoon ay mapalad ang nakikinig ng salita ng Dios.
Ngayon kahit ano pa ang kalagayan mo kung hinde ka naman nakikinig ng salita ng Dios
Mas mapalad yaong nakikinig.

My response:

Here is the verse;

Luke 11:28 NKJV
[28] But He said, “More than that, blessed ARE THOSE who hear the word of God and keep it!”

My COMMENT:

Your last comment is agreeable. Jesus was in fact responding to a certain woman and said NOTHING AT THAT TIME. He complemented that WHILE MARY IS BLESSED being the mother of Jesus. Mary IS MORE BLESSED as she LISTENED AND KEPT THE WORD OF GOD.

Val said:

Its not certain the preposition used was “are”

My reply:

” are” is NOT a ” preposition”. It’s either use as a noun or a verb, second person singular or third person plural present.

Val said:

BLESSED “ARE” THOSE
Lord Jesus response was FOR ALL not only for a certain”

Tama yung una mong sinabi mary is blessed
Yung kasunod wala na sa verse.
Pakahulugan mo na lang,
Wala nga si maria ng pagkakataong yan,
Yung babae nakikinig ng oras n yan
Eh si maria nasaan?

My comment:

[ Val is very confused, while he admitted THAT THE WORD OF CHRIST is true that it’s for everyone or of all, then MARY IS INCLUDED. For Val, the blesses mother is NOT INCLUDED. Val further said that “not only for certain”. Note that he has been insisting that because Mary was not physically there, thus she was “NOT LISTENING” and those who were LISTENING to him AT THAT TIME WERE ALL MORE BLESSED than Blessed Mother Mary.]

Val responded:
Tama po blessed are those. Sana makita mo yung comparison Winnie Ibe.K ung saan yung more blessed

My reply:

Tell me Val Angel who are “those”? If you can answer that then everything will be clearer.

Val replied:

Those that are listening and obey the word of God.

My response:

Val Angel,

You are confusing yourself with play of words.

You are now saying that the WOMAN who says that Mary is blessed is now more blessed than Mary?

The context of this verse is clear. It’s NOT EXCLUSIVELY to that woman nor those who heard him said those words. It’s TRUE TO ANYONE who listens to the word of God and who obeys it. It even true to now as it was also true to the blessed mother Mary.