REFUTING THE MISERABLE ARGUMENTS OF CARL LORENZO INDIONGCO JR., PUPPET OF MAMA ELI “CHARLATAN” SORIANO Part 2 By Aloysius Kayiwa

REFUTING THE MISERABLE ARGUMENTS OF CARL LORENZO INDIONGCO JR., PUPPET OF MAMA ELI “CHARLATAN” SORIANO -By Aloysius

UNTIL NOW THIS CULTIST AND PUPPET OF SORIANO, CARL LORENZO, IS STILL MANIFESTING HIS STUPIDITY AND PUPPETRY IN THE INTERNET. MUCH WORSE FOR HIM IS HIS WOEFUL IGNORANCE WHICH HE EXPOSES FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE. DAMAGING HIS REPUTATION DAY BY DAY DOESN’T MATTER TO HIM AS LONG AS HE IS SLAVISHLY SHELVING HIS god, THE FALSE PROPHET AND CHARLATAN SORIANO. HE RATHER DAMAGES HIS REPUTATION THAN ADMITTING HIS FALSE PROPHET IS WRONG. MUCH WORSER FOR THEM, THE LEADER LETS THEM BECOME WORLDING ALIENS IN THE FACE OF FIRE WHILE HE IS SHAMEFULLY HIDING BECAUSE OF RAPE CHARGES BACK HOME. SO HIS FOLLOWERS WILL STUMBLE AND STUMBLE.

THE FEAR INSTILLED INTO ADD FOLLOWERS DURING MASS INDOCTRINATION’ IS MASTERFULLY AND CAREFULLY ORCHESTRATED BY THE SORIANO AND DANIEL RAZON-THE SO CALLED PRESIDING MINISTERS. WHETHER THE CULT IS EMPHATICALLY REITERATING THE FEAR OF ANYTHING “WORLDLY” OR THE IMPENDING ARRIVAL OF THE END OF THE WORLD,ADD LEADERS SUCCEED IN RETAINING LOYAL FOLLOWERS AND THEIR FINANCES. AS LONG AS FOLLOWERS REMAIN ACTIVE WITHIN THIS CULT, THEIR FEARS WILL SUBSIDE RESULTING IN THE DEEPEST OF ANXIETIES. THESE DEVIOUS AND CULT-LIKE TACTICS UTILIZED BY THE DATING DAAN CULT PREVENTS LOYAL FOLLOWERS FROM EXPOSURE TO THE REAL “TRUTH” BEHIND THE CULT.WE CAN ONLY COUNT ON THE LAST DAYS OF THE DATING DAAN CULT. THE ADD CULT IS SCARED TO DEATH AS MORE EXPOSURE COMES ABOUT.

IN HIS OTHER ALIBI, THIS PUPPET CLAIMS THAT HIS CULT IS THE TRUE CHURCH BECAUSE IT IS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE. MISERABLE INDEED! AND YOU KNOW WHAT? HE DID THAT BY COPY-PASTING THE GREEK TEXT BUT IN THE END IT BACKFIRED ON HIM BECAUSE HE ALTERED THE MEANING OF THE GREEK VERBIAGE AND WHEN REFUTED WITH COUNTER GREEK RESPONSE,HE STARTED COMPLAINING AS USUAL. LOOK WHAT THIS CULTIST SAYS;

(Well…excuses, excuses… so where is the name catholic came from again? Luke 4:14 -kath’ καθ’ means into & holēs ὅλης means all , thus, kath’ holes? is that what your saying? So, the Bible said that the name of the true church is church of into all? LUKE 8:39 – kath’ καθ’ means through & holēn ὅλην means all? Or Church of through all? So, Christians are being in the Church of through all or into all? is that what your pointing at? That’s plain stupid…. I don’t know how you use logic or common sense, but it really is a stupid teaching… Let’s check the verse itself… Luke 4:14 – And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. Luke 8:39 – Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him. IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE AT ALL… even in the original manuscripts says its still the Church of God…

1 Corinth 2 – ekklēsia {ἐκκλησία} means [the] church & Theou {Θεοῦ} means of God, hence, ekklēsia tou Theou

τῇ ἐκκλησίᾳ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῇ οὔσῃ ἐν Κορίνθῳ, ἡγιασμένοις ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ, κλητοῖς ἁγίοις, σὺν πᾶσιν τοῖς ἐπικαλουμένοις τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐν παντὶ τόπῳ, αὐτῶν καὶ ἡμῶν•

“Unto the CHURCH OF GOD which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:” Hence, CHURCH OF GOD NOT church of through all… the Bible TEACHING is very simple, yet, you complicate things through your non-Biblical philosophies)

MY RESPONSE:

SO YOU ARE BACK. YEAH WELCOME. AM ALWAYS ONLINE AND I WILL RESPOND AS LONG AS YOU REMARK HERE. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT I AM MORE LEARNED AND EDUCATED THAN YOU. ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE RECITING ADD JUSTIFICATIONS BUT THEY ARE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE YOUR CULT WAS FOUNDED IN THE PHILIPPINES BY PEREZ AND LATER INHERITED BY THE CHARLATAN SORIANO.

THAT IS FACT. AS I SAID, WHETHER YOUR NAME APPEARS IN THE BIBLE OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT. THE TRUE CHURCH MUST BE FOUNDED BY GOD-THAT HAS BEEN THE TEST SINCE APOSTOLIC TIMES. YOUR CULT WAS NOT FOUNDED BY GOD BUT BY PEREZ AND WAS INHERITED BY WHO WAS A CLOSE FRIEND OF SORIANO. SORRY.YOUR CULT NOT THE TRUE CHURCH

///excuses, excuses… so where the name is catholic came from again? //

WHICH EXCUSES? THERE IS NO EXCUSE FROM ME. MAY BE YOU ARE THE ONE ASKING EXCUSES?

///so where is the name catholic came from again??

POOR ENGLISH GRAMMAR.POLISH YOUR GRAMMAR DUDE.

///Luke 4:14 -kath’ καθ’ means into & holēs ὅλης means all , thus, kath’ holes? is that what your saying? So, the Bible said that the name of the true church is church of into all? LUKE 8:39 – kath’ καθ’ means through & holēn ὅλην means all? Or Church of through all?////

THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING. YOU ARE LYING.YOU HAVE MADE YOUR OWN INSINUATIONS. I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU COPIED THIS? LET ME DEBUNK YOUR CLAIMS PIECE BY PIECE AND SHOW YOU THAT YOUR ARE VERY STUPID.INDEED SORIANO HAS MADE YOU VERY STUPID.DO YOU SEE HOW YOU CONSTRUCTED YOUR ARGUMENT BADLY?

YOU BASED YOUR ARGUMENTS ON LUKE ONLY, WHY DIDNT YOU CONSIDER OTHER SCRIPTURES?AND WHY DID YOU FOCUS ON ONLY ONE MEANING OF THE TERM WHEN THERE ARE MANY MEANINGS OF THOSE TERMS IN GREEK GRAMMAR? BY OMITTING OTHER MEANINGS, YOU WANTED TO TRIP ME BUT YOU WON’T BECAUSE AM MORE LEARNED AND EDUCATED THAN YOU IN THOSE THINGS. Kath or κατά καθ DOESN’T ONLY MEAN “INTO” AS YOU DEVIOUSLY CLAIM AND holēs ὅλης DOES NOT ONLY MEAN “ALL” AS YOU DEVIOUSLY OMITTED THEIR MEANINGS

KATH OR κατά καθ MEANS “DOWN FROM, AGAINST, ACCORDING TO, THROUGHOUT, DURING” WHILE HOLĒS ὅΛΗΣ MEANS “ALL, THE WHOLE, ENTIRE, COMPLETE.”

WHAT’S INTERESTING ABOUT ὅλος vs ὅλη is that “ὅλη” IS FEMININE WHEREAS ὅλος IS MASCULINE AND YOU PREFERRED TO FOCUS ON THE MASCULINE BUT FORGETTING THAT OTHER SCRIPTURES TELL US OTHERWISE.THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH YOU SOLA SCRIPTURE PEOPLE.YOU ALWAYS FOCUS ON ONE SINGLE VERSE AND IGNORE OTHER VERSES. AGAIN YOU DON’T KNOW THE GREEK GRAMMAR, YOU DON’T KNOW THAT THOSE WORDS HAVE MANY MEANINGS.

NOTICE LATER ON IN ACTS 15:22, AND IN OTHER AREAS, THE FEMININE IS USED, BECAUSE IT REFERS TO THE WHOLE CHURCH, WHICH IS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST. THIS USAGE HOLDS TRUE IN MANY EXAMPLES TO THE BELIEVER AND THE CHURCH, FOR CHRIST IS A NON-SEXUAL MODEL OF A HUSBAND.

LET US LOOK AT ACTS 9:13 IN GREEK;

ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο. Πράξεις τῶν Ἀποστόλων 9:31

COMPARE IT WITH THE ENGLISH VERSION; “Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace and was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it increased in numbers.Acts 9:13(NIV)”

καθ᾽ὁλης της = Catholics of καθ᾽ὁλης τη = throughout the καθ ὁλης της = throughout the entire εκκλησια = church

THEREFORE:

εκκλησια καθ᾽ὁλης της = CHURCH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE = CHURCH THROUGHOUT = CATHOLIC CHURCH = UNIVERSAL CHURCH

HERE’S A LIST OF ALL USES ACCORDING TO STRONG’S CONCORDANCE:http://biblehub.com/greek/ole__3650.htm

Acts 9:31 (Greek Bible), “ai men oun ekklēsiai kath olēs tēs ioudaias kai galilaias kai samareias eichon eirēnēn oikodomoumenai kai poreuomenai tō phobō tou kuriou kai tē paraklēsei tou agiou pneumatos eplēthunonto” EKKLESIA KATH’OLES.

“CATHOLIC”, DERIVED FROM THE GREEK WORD καθολικός (katholikos), WHICH MEANS “UNIVERSAL” OR “GENERAL”, THE TERM KATHOLIKOS IS EQUIVALENT TO καθόλου (katholou), A CONTRACTION OF THE PHRASE καθ’ ὅλου (kath’ holou) MEANING “ACCORDING TO THE WHOLE”. THUS THE FULL NAME CATHOLIC CHURCH ROUGHLY MEANS “UNIVERSAL” OR “WHOLE” CHURCH AND NOT THE STUPID NAMING YOU HAVE INVENTED ABOVE. THE CHURCH IS NAMED BY HER UNIVERSAL MISSION FOLLOWING JESUS COMMAND TO THE APOSTLES TO GO TO THE WHOLE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPELS.

Mark 16:15,

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature( King James Bible “Authorized Version” (SEE ALSO Matthew 24:14)

////1 Corinth 2 – ekklēsia {ἐκκλησία} means [the] church & Theou {Θεοῦ} means of God, hence, ekklēsia tou Theou τῇ ἐκκλησίᾳ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῇ οὔσῃ ἐν Κορίνθῳ, ἡγιασμένοις ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ, κλητοῖς ἁγίοις, σὺν πᾶσιν τοῖς ἐπικαλουμένοις τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐν παντὶ τόπῳ, αὐτῶν καὶ ἡμῶν• “Unto the CHURCH OF GOD which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:”///

NICE TRY BUT YOU ONLY SHOW THAT YOU ARE WOEFULLY IGNORANT AND STUPID OF THE BIBLE.REGARDING THE 1 CORINTH 2 VERSE, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO JUSTIFY ADD NAME GAMES BUT YOU WILL FAIL MISERABLY.

“Unto the CHURCH OF GOD which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:”

PAUL WAS WRITING TO THE CHURCH AT CORINTH.THE CHURCH AT CORINTH WAS PLANTED BY ST.PAUL ABOUT AD 57 AND NOT SORIANO. PAUL WAS NOT REFERRING TO THE ANG DATING DAAN CULT. HE WAS WRITING TO THE COMMUNITY OF CHRISTIANS AT CORINTH. WAS YOUR CULT THE COMMUNITY OF CORINTH? AND WHY DOESN’T PAUL ADDRESSES OTHER CHRISTIANS IN ROME, THESSALONICA,HEBREWS LIKE THAT? LOL..HAHAHAHA! GO AWAY WITH YOUR LIES. I CAN SMELL THE FOUL STENCH OF SATAN FROM YOU.THIS IS VERSE IS IRRELEVANT AND PROVES NOTHING. GUY, AM NOT YOUR SIZE, DON’T THINK THAT YOU CAN TRIP ME. ONCE MORE, YOU WILL BE EMBARRASSED.

WHAT IS AMAZING IS THAT THE ADD USES THIS VERSE TO JUSTIFY THEIR NAME GAME BUT THEY IGNORE THE REST OF WHAT I CORINTHIANS TEACHES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE EPISTLE ALLUDES THE TRINITY.

GOD THE FATHER

“Yet there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we by him” (verse 6). Compare 2 Corinthians 13:13: “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the charity of God, and the communication of the Holy Ghost be with you all.”

JESUS CHRIST

“Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ” (1: 3). “God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.”( 1:9)

THE HOLY SPIRIT

“Now there are diversities of graces, but the same Spirit; and there are diversities of ministries, but the same Lord; and there are diversities of operations, but the same God” (12: 4-6). “But to us God hath revealed them, by his Spirit. The Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God . . . the things that are of God no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God” (Chapter 2: 10, 11 — cf. 2: 12-14, 16).

IF YOU CLAIM THAT YOUR CULT’S NAME IS ALLUDED TO IN 1 CORINTHIANS, WHY DO YOU REJECT THE TRINITY WHICH THIS EPISTLE CLEARLY EXPLAINS? YOU ARE PERVERTS, ALWAYS TWISTING SCRIPTURE TO ADVANCE YOUR LIES AND UNGODLY TEACHINGS.

///Hence, CHURCH OF GOD NOT church of through all… the Bible TEACHING is very simple, yet, you complicate things through your non-Biblical philosophies////

THE BIBLE IS NOT FOR CHERRY PICKERS LIKE YOU.WHAT YOU CAN ONLY DO WITH IT IS SLINGING IT LEFT AND RIGHT. BEYOND THAT, NOTHING ELSE YOU CAN DO. YET YOU ARE ALWAYS PRETENDING THAT YOU KNOW THE BIBLE WHEN YOU KNOW NOTHING. YOURS ARE THE NON-BIBLICAL PHILOSOPHIES BECAUSE YOU PLAY NAME GAMES.SHAME ON YOU.ANY WAY, YOUR CULT’S NAME IS “MEMBERS OF CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL” RIGHT? NOW EVEN IF YOU WERE TO PROVE ME, WOULD YOU FIND THAT NAME IN THE BIBLE? I CORINTHIANS MERELY SAYS “CHURCH OF GOD” AND NOT MCIG. THIS CREATES A DOUBLE SWORD FOR YOU. IT IS NOT THERE.HAHAHAHA! SHAME ON YOU.

THE CHURCH SINCE THE BEGINNING WAS NEVER CALLED BY ANY OTHER NAME APART FROM CATHOLIC CHURCH.CAN YOU TELL ME AMONG THE EARLY CHRISTIANS WHO REFERRED TO THE CHURCH AS CHURCH OF GOD?? NO ONE. THE PROPER NAME OF THE CHURCH, SINCE THE BEGINNING, IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. IT IS NOT EVER CALLED “THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH,” EITHER.

AS MENTIONED IN THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES, IT IS TRUE THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST EARLY BECAME KNOWN AS “CHRISTIANS” (CF. ACTS 11:26). THE NAME CHRISTIAN, HOWEVER, WAS NEVER COMMONLY APPLIED TO THE CHURCH HERSELF. IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ITSELF, THE CHURCH IS SIMPLY CALLED “THE CHURCH.” THERE WAS ONLY ONE. IN THAT EARLY TIME THERE WERE NOT YET ANY BREAK-AWAY BODIES SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO BE RIVAL CLAIMANTS OF THE NAME AND FROM WHICH THE CHURCH MIGHT EVER HAVE TO DISTINGUISH HERSELF.

VERY EARLY IN POST-APOSTOLIC TIMES, HOWEVER. THE CHURCH DID ACQUIRE A PROPER NAME.AND PRECISELY IN ORDER TO DISTINGUISH HERSELF FROM RIVAL BODIES WHICH BY THEN WERE ALREADY BEGINNING TO FORM. THE NAME THAT THE CHURCH ACQUIRED WHEN IT BECAME NECESSARY FOR HER TO HAVE A PROPER NAME WAS THE NAME BY WHICH SHE HAS BEEN KNOWN EVER SINCE-THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

THE COMBINATION “THE CATHOLIC CHURCH” (HE KATHOLIKE EKKLESIA) IS FOUND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE LETTER OF ST IGNATIUS, WRITTEN ABOUT THE YEAR 110AD. THE WORDS RUN:

“Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the Catholic[katholike] Church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2)

THEREAFTER, MENTION OF THE NAME BECAME MORE AND MORE FREQUENT IN THE WRITTEN RECORD. IT APPEARS IN THE OLDEST WRITTEN ACCOUNT WE POSSESS OUTSIDE THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE MARTYRDOM OF A CHRISTIAN FOR HIS FAITH, THE “MARTYRDOM OF ST. POLYCARP,” BISHOP OF THE SAME CHURCH OF SMYRNA TO WHICH ST. IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH HAD WRITTEN. ST. POLYCARP WAS MARTYRED AROUND 155, AND THE ACCOUNT OF HIS SUFFERINGS DATES BACK TO THAT TIME. THE NARRATOR INFORMS US THAT IN HIS FINAL PRAYERS BEFORE GIVING UP HIS LIFE FOR CHRIST, ST. POLYCARP “REMEMBERED ALL WHO HAD MET WITH HIM AT ANY TIME, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT, BOTH THOSE WITH AND THOSE WITHOUT RENOWN, AND THE WHOLE CATHOLIC CHURCH THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.”

WE KNOW THAT ST. POLYCARP, AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH IN 155, HAD BEEN A CHRISTIAN FOR 86 YEARS. HE COULD NOT, THEREFORE, HAVE BEEN BORN MUCH LATER THAN 69 OR 70. YET IT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN A NORMAL PART OF THE VOCABULARY OF A MAN OF THIS ERA TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK OF “THE WHOLE CATHOLIC CHURCH THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.”

LATER, IN THE “CATECHETICAL DISCOURSES” OF CHURCH FATHER AND DOCTOR ST. CYRIL OF JERUSALEM WE SEE THE NAME “CATHOLIC CHURCH” TO IDENTIFY THE CHURCH FROM VARIOUS SECTS. ST CYRIL WRITES;

“And if ever thou art sojourning in any city, inquire not simply where the Lord’s house is–for the sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens, Houses of the Lord–nor merely where the church is, but where is the Catholic church. For this is the peculiar name of the Holy Body the Mother of us all.”(Catechetical Lectures 300AD)

UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU PUPPETS OF SORIANO, YOU CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THE FANCIFUL FALSEHOODS OF SORIANO AND IGNORE THE TRUTH.YOU ARE PRETENDING THAT YOU KNOW GREEK.WHEN YOU DON’T KNOW. YOU ARE A CERTIFIED FACE PALM. YOU ARE NOTHING IN BIBLICAL GREEK, BIBLICAL THEOLOGY AND CHURCH HISTORY. THE ONLY CHURCH THAT CHRIST ESTABLISHED IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND NOT YOUR NEWLY INVENTED CULT OF SORIANO. YOUR CULT IS MOST USELESS SINCE IT IS A TRADITION OF MAN.SHAME ON YOU AGENT OF NEW RELIGION.