St. Polycarp of Smyrna
[but it was my first time to read your blog when I decided to ask you those questions and I did not have enough time to read all your articles. Perhaps my hastiness, but since you have the power to forgive even those grave sins I committed before God, I know you can forgive that minor ignorance.]
OF COURSE, I CAN AND I DID.
[Following your argument, though, I would say it is downright absurd and illogical to name the INC members as the ones who violated Matthew 23:9. Your proof that the "INM" transgressed what Christ commanded in Mat. 23:9 is entirely missing.]
WHAT IS MISSING? WHAT I EXPLAINED IS THAT THEY FAILED TO GET THE REAL MEANING OF THE TEXT. INSTEAD OF INTERPRETING IT LITERALLY NOT TO CALL “ANY MAN” FATHER AS REFERRING TO CATHOLIC PRIESTS THEY SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE SPIRITUAL SENSE OF THE TEXT WHICH CALLS FOR ACCEPTANCE OF GOD AS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY IN OUR LIVES. BESIDES, WHERE IN THE VERSE DOES IT SAYS THAT PRIESTS CANNOT BE CALLED FATHER?
THE POSITION OF IGLESIA NI MANALO HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY THE VERSES WE HAVE PRESENTED WHEREIN A LOT OF HUMAN PERSONS ARE CALLED “FATHER”. HOW ABOUT FELIX MANALO AS THE FATHER OF ERANYO MANALO? HOW ABOUT ERANYO MANALO AS THE FATHER OF EDUARDO MANALO? ARE THEY NOT PRACTICING THAT TITLE OF “FATHER” TO HUMAN BEINGS?
[Did they impose it upon other people to call them or address them as such, the way Catholics do to their Papa and priests?]
[Who among the Apostles ever carried the title “Father” OR were called “Father” in the second-person perspective, that is, as a name of direct address?]
ONCE AGAIN READ THE BIBLE CAREFULLY:
1 CORINTHIANS 4:14-16
14 I do not write these things to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children.
15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. FOR I BECAME YOUR FATHER IN CHRIST JESUS THROUGH THE GOSPEL.
16 I urge you, then, be imitators of me.
DID ST. PAUL BECAME A FATHER SPIRITUALLY?
1 TIMOTHY 1:2
2 To Timothy my true son in the faith:
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
THE MINISTER OF GOD IS BECOMING A SPIRITUAL FATHER TO HIS FLOCK. THAT IS VERY BIBLICAL. BUT WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THE TITLE EXECUTIVE MINISTER AS USED BY THE HIGHEST LEADER OF THE MANALOS?
[If you cannot produce a proof that the INC ministers or any of their members did allow themselves to be called "Father", then using verses other than Mat. 23:9 to support your accusation that the INC are the antichrists is misleading the readers, irrelevant to the topic, diverting from the point, and, forgive me "Father, completely illogical.]
HA HA HA… FROM IGNORANCE NOW YOU ARE JUMPING TO BEING PATHETIC. I ARGUED THAT THE MANALOS ARE WRONG BECAUSE I HAVE PROVIDED VERSES THAT HUMAN PERSONS WHICH INCLUDE PRIEST CAN BE CALLED ‘FATHER’ AND THEY WERE INDEED CALLED ‘FATHER’ IN THE SACRED SCRIPTURES… NOT ONLY THE PRIEST BUT ALSO THE APOSTLE. SO WHETHER THE MANALOS USED IT OR NOT IS NOT MY BUSINESS BUT TO PROVE THAT OUR CALLING PEOPLE ‘FATHER’ IS BIBLICAL. OUR PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED. NOW IT IS YOUR PROBLEM TO SHOW ME THE BIBLICAL SOURCE FOR ‘EXECUTIVE MINISTER’.
[So why ridicule Mr. Felix Manalo for his claim to being an angel on the ground that angels are not supposed to die?]HE IS RIDICULED BECAUSE HE IS NOT THE ANGEL OR MESSENGER REFERRED TO IN SMYRNA. IF YOU KNOW GEOGRAPHY SMYRNA IS NOT IN THE PHILIPPINES. SO, SORRY FOR YOU.
[You said,
"THE "AGGELOS" REFERRED TO IN REVELATION 2:8-10 MEANS MESSENGER. IT REFERS TO THE BISHOP OF SMYRNA WHO DURING THAT TIME MOST PROBABLY ST.POLYCARP OF SMYRNA WHO WAS A DISCIPLE OF THE APOSTLES AND WHO DIED FOR THE FAITH AS A MARTYR. OBVIOUSLY THE ANGEL REFERRED TO HERE IS NOT ANGEL FROM HEAVEN BUT HUMAN BEING."
This is exactly the same as what Mr. F. Manalo claims about himself: that ALTHOUGH A HUMAN BEING, he is an angel or A MESSENGER. I did not say that the Bishop of Smyrna is Mr. F. Manalo. I just used Rev. 2:8-10 to prove my point that not all angels are immortal and that your logic is flawed.]
MANALO HAS A CLAIM, YES. ITS EASY TO CLAIM. EVEN SATAN CAN CLAIM. BUT, HIS CLAIM MUST BE PROVEN BY THE BIBLE. IF THE IGLESIA NI MANALO PROCLAIMED: “THE BISHOP OF SMYRNA IS A MESSENGER OF GOD, HE IS OUR ANGEL.” THEN FINE. BUT WE ARE THE ONE HONORING AND VENERATING POLYCARP OF SMYRNA AS A BISHOP WHILE YOU ARE HONORING THE DELUSIONAL CLAIM OF FELIX MANALO WHO IS NOT THE BISHOP OF SMYRNA.
[So, your logic is faulty.]
IT IS YOU WHO IS FAULTY. YOUR LOGIC IS NOT ONLY FAULTY BUT YOU HAVE NONE OF IT.
[You cannot attack Mr. Manalo's claim to angelhood on the basis of his death or on his being mortal.]
WE CAN ATTACK THE ALLEGED ANGELHOOD OF FELIX MANALO BECAUSE IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE. HE IS NOT THE BISHOP OF SMYRNA. BESIDES, ANGELHOOD INCLUDE THE MEANING THAT HE IS A SPIRIT AND A FLAME OF FIRE AS GOD THE FATHER DECLARED. SO OBVIOUSLY HE IS A FAKE ANGEL. IN ORDER TO AVOID SUCH FOR ST. POLYCARP WE SIMPLY REFER TO HIM AS ‘THE BISHOP OF SMYRNA’. HIS BEING A BISHOP DENOTES ALREADY HIS BEING A MESSENGER OF GOD BUT WE DO NOT GIVE FALSE IDEA THAT HE IS AN ANGEL MADE OF SPIRIT AND A FLAME OF FIRE. FELIX MANALO IS A FAKE ANGEL WHO DIED WHEN HIS INTESTINES BURST FORTH OUT OF HIS BELLY.
["FATHER", you are therefore ridiculing and condemning your own stand on this matter!]
HA HA HA… I AM CONDEMNING AND RIDICULING YOUR DELUSIONS AS THAT OF THE MANOLISTAS. HA HA HA…